Shelf-life of Li-On hybrid battery

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Re: Shelf-life of Li-On hybrid battery

Post by Shukputra on Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:43 pm

Hi and dear all,

To the Admin :- noted ur comment tht we cannot bypass the hybrid to let the engine run conventionally due to its existance in parallel. But what happen if the battery not fully charge then??

Does anyone know how many components involved in hybrid system and which one are fragile and what are the cost each component and anyone has had faulty experience in relation to hybrid?

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Re: Shelf-life of Li-On hybrid battery

Post by Admin on Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:42 am

shaun88 wrote:According to my search from Japanese website, Prius Hybrid (second generation onwards) NiMH can last forever (life time warranty by Toyota Japan), so far the records shown no problem for over 300 thousand KM. High potential the LiOn battery is last longer than NiMH.... Don`t worried if you need to change the battery, by the time the price should be much cheaper than now?

In theory, LiOn offers a more superior tech to NiMH, which is heavier, and packs less energy density. However, NiMH is also proven technology used in hybrid vehicles compared to LiOn which has only been recently adopted on vehicles. But manufacturers are firmly moving in the LiOn direction.

Our A6h has also adopted some latest technologies to ensure durability of the battery pack, chief among which is the active cooling mechanism, where the battery pack has its own cooling in addition to using the cabin air conditioning. This is to protect the battery from overheating and prolonging its lifespan

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Re: Shelf-life of Li-On hybrid battery

Post by Admin on Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:51 am

Here's a very good local writeup on a buying guide for hybrid vehicles, as well as debunking some myths along the way

http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news/view/3446/10-tips-for-buying-your-first-hybrid---part-1



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Re: Shelf-life of Li-On hybrid battery

Post by shaun88 on Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:25 am

According to my search from Japanese website, Prius Hybrid (second generation onwards) NiMH can last forever (life time warranty by Toyota Japan), so far the records shown no problem for over 300 thousand KM. High potential the LiOn battery is last longer than NiMH.... Don`t worried if you need to change the battery, by the time the price should be much cheaper than now?

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Re: Shelf-life of Li-On hybrid battery

Post by Admin on Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:40 pm

Barring major accidents, especially flood induced ones, the battery is expected to last the life time of the car, consistent with the expectations of other hybrid cars.

The longest hybrid car in service is the Prius in the USA, many are used as taxis and even after 7-8 torturous years, the hybrid had never needed to be replaced as a wear and tear. And that's only only older (or proven) generation NiMH

When Mitsubishi launched their EV lately, they have confidently claimed a lifetime lastability with the vehicle and it also uses the same LiOn as per the A6h. They further estimate that the battery will retain 70% efficiency after 10 years under 'normal' operating conditions.

Since hybrids are least understood especially with regards to the very expensive battery pack replacement (which probably never needed to be replaced at all), the depreciation value is higher compared to the conventional petrol counterparts. I guess with more high end launches and global adoption, education to the masses can be better accepted. Honda is doing a great job here with the unlimited 8 year battery pack warranty and price cut in the event of replacement needed.

On you second question, from the manual, it seems the battery pack can never be bypassed to let the engine run conventionally. They exist in parallel.

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Shelf-life of Li-On hybrid battery

Post by SJohn on Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:33 pm

Dear all,

Anyone has the information on how long our hybrid battery is going to last ? In Taiwan it takes about RM30k equivalent if complete replacement is needed, and heard from our SA it will cost RM50k+ in Malaysia.

That can significantly affect the resale value say 5 years later. And I went on asking our SA, by then, if we can choose to bypass the hybrid system by running the car as conventional combustion car, he said after checking with technical guys in Germany, that is possible. Do you believe ?

Or anyone else has better info ? I am more concern about the second question, if we can bypass, I don't really care about replacement when the battery konk. Or at least the RV will not drop big time Wink
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